Electronic everything??!!

On 04/04/2016 at 22:20

OK so here we go.

I am a biker. I have owned and ridden many bikes. I am now lucky enough to own a 2016 BMW S1000RR. In my humble opinion this is the best road bike I have ridden. It has a bucket load of electronic aids.......and here in lies the argument

The reason I love this bike and its electrics is because it inspires confidence in ME. It make's ME a better rider because I feel in control.

I have read many a "purest" explaining that I am some how less of a rider because of this , because I embrace the technology and use it to make me a better safer rider.

Surely motorcycling is about enjoying yourself and being as close to Rossi as you can be (in your own mind!)...
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On 06/04/2016 at 14:32

If it's got the rider aids it makes you a safer rider or does it? Do you sometimes think "oh well I have traction control which will kick in if I mess up a bit"? Therefore making you go quicker then you would have done before?

Either enjoy the machine and have fun on it but always remember the people who want to see you come home safe from your ride :-)
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On 08/04/2016 at 15:04

Bloody BMW owners, thinking they have the best bike, typical !

Beemerscreamer, I have to argue with your opinion that the S1000RR is the best bike...a high revving racing derived four pot bundle of electronic gadgets with the rider requiring a colourful Power Ranger matching outfit, all are just a silly choice for the public roads.

Now in my opinion the best bike is the S1000R Sport
And the black ones are better/quicker than any other...honest, I have seen that in text somewhere

Back on topic:
Tech and safer riding...a fine discussion, which I am often at odds with.

ABS, balanced brakes, traction control, differing riding modes...all can improve the safety of a bike, but it all depends on where and how the bike is being ridden.
Also it depends on the rider knowing what options they can have select, what that does to the bike and which option have been selected.
Sounds easy eh, and many bike revert back to "all safety system ON", but some don’t.

i.e, ABS is great on the majority of roads and gravel tracks...but if you are accustomed to having a bit of a play on a track and are depending on locking the rear up going into a corner and it doesn't because you did not switch off the ABS...well that opens up a another butt clenching moment of "what to do now" and great recollections in the bar about what a numpty you are !

Generally I believe that the majority of rider aids do make for a safer ride at the posted speed limit (and on a race course), but the majority of rider aids can allow a rider to rider a lot faster and deeper into corners than without rider aids.

Problems can occur when a rider gets accustomed to the aids, like traction control and ABS, but when they ride a bike without these electronics they can get into trouble.

Me, I don’t not change bike modes from the likes of "road" to "wet"...that changes the way the bike feels, which in my view is the last thing a rider needs on a wet road.
But I do occasionally switch off all aids, no tractions control, no abs...just to see the actual grip levels of the bike...sometime I do this on dirt tracts...just for a laugh.
I like riding, I also like bikes.

On 08/04/2016 at 23:45

I'm no purist, still far too much of a noob, but personally I like having no rider aids. My thinking is that it's helping teach me to be careful with my inputs, and in tune with what the bike is actually doing. I'm hoping this will help build my skill, so that when I upgrade to a more up to date bike with all the toys, it will feel really easy to ride a bit more aggressively.

On 11/04/2016 at 18:18

Dave I think some Triumph owners think they have they best bike ever lol I have a Tiger and happen to know it is the best bike ever, well the best I have had so far anyhow lol

On 15/04/2016 at 15:23

Quote "Surely motorcycling is about enjoying yourself and being as close to Rossi as you can be " LOL
Only on track days. Or, your bike will end up on my bench for damage estimation.

The S1000RR (awesome bit of kit) and it's electronic aids are great for people with low skill & experience especially, as you can drop the ball and it'll save your arse. And, for people who want to max it out coz they think they're like Lorenzo & Rossi on their track days at Cadwell & Silverstone, and that's fine; Sometimes... I think I'd kinda like traction control on my commute because of the gallons of diesel I ride over daily on roundabouts in the rain, it'd help reduce the slides... But, in a perverse way I enjoy the challenge to my skills as well, of seeing, reacting, and surviving Johnny Truck Driver's attempts to kill me every day by wasting his boss's derv..

But 'biking' isn't about riding fast. neither is 'being a motorcyclist' - commuting on a bike - it's about a whole lot more, more than I can ever put into words, even after 42 years of it, It's a way of life, an ethos, an outlook on people and friendship towards fellow riders.
AND IT IS IMMENSE FUN
Life is a series of ever-faster bike journeys - as time begins to run out. But, I'm not finished yet...

On 27/04/2016 at 13:41

Lankyass, I do agree that many Triumph owners think they have the best bike.
But I KNOW they are wrong :-)

Seriously: Triumph do have a great range of bikes at the moment, and I would be happy with a few of them.
I like riding, I also like bikes.

On 24/05/2016 at 11:31

I used to ride(& fall off)bikes in the 80's when I was a teenager,& the worst injury I ever had was to my pride.Now I'm older & wiser I bought an old (23 years) Honda CBR 600 which I'm happily able to terrify myself on without trying to get my knee down or remove my chicken-strips.I would love to be able to afford a newer machine with a few "rider aids" but my other bike(2008 KTM 690)has all the electronics I require(low fuel light)for my riding abilities.I did a 175 mile trip on the Honda at the weekend,and managed to run out of fuel (including the reserve) as my ancient drug-fuddled(pain-killers for injuries caused by blind gits crashing into me in my car)brain wasn't able to equate 3 x 45 isn't 150+ miles (3 gallon tank-45 miles to the gallon)Now I know exactly how far I can ride before I need to find a petrol station,the next trip of 350+ miles "should" be less stressful lol.
I hope to become the owner of a larger capacity bike eventually,as the Honda tends to struggle with my weight+my daughter as pillion when we're off on our adventures.Being somewhat "off the beaten track" I can't really go and test-ride various machines like I could if I lived further south & nearer civilisation. lol.The best part of living up here is I can go for rides in some of the most scenic parts of the UK(Lake District)in between the rain showers. lol
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On 24/05/2016 at 15:08

Ah, the Lake District is one of my favourite parts of the UK! I bet you have some great roads around there! I did a charity cycle ride a couple of years ago from Whitehaven to Sunderland and cycled through the Lake district. Very, very nice.
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